Comments on: A great disturbance in the Force http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2008/12/15/a-great-disturbance-in-the-force/ Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:06:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dustin http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2008/12/15/a-great-disturbance-in-the-force/comment-page-1/#comment-353 Dustin Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:15:26 +0000 http://www.boche.net/blog/?p=690#comment-353 I've just posted this on Fawzi's blog and also Scott Lowe's blog. Here is what I posted: Hmmm....there are many falsehoods posited here. Many people have already enumerated them. Unfortunately, this blog's technical inaccuracies come at the expense of your credibility. Instead of retaliating at the posters, it might be more credible to refute their points using technical information and fact (notwithstanding ad hominem attacks). So here's your chance: 1. How much experience do you have with installing, configuring and managing ESX? 2. How much experience do you have using Hyper-V in a production environment? (Experimental labs used at a company does not count). 3. Are there any differences in memory management between ESX and Hyper-V? If so, please explain their function and when they actually get implemented. 4. Are there any networking differences between Hyper-V and ESX? If so, please list them and please describe the advantage/disadvantage to both. 5. Describe how one would backup a Microsoft Hyper-V environment and how one would backup an ESX environment. Assume the latest versions for both ESX and Hyper-V. If you can technically answer these questions and sound and rational terms, you've got a shot at restoring credibility. I look forward to your response. I’ve just posted this on Fawzi’s blog and also Scott Lowe’s blog. Here is what I posted:

Hmmm….there are many falsehoods posited here. Many people have already enumerated them.

Unfortunately, this blog’s technical inaccuracies come at the expense of your credibility. Instead of retaliating at the posters, it might be more credible to refute their points using technical information and fact (notwithstanding ad hominem attacks).

So here’s your chance:
1. How much experience do you have with installing, configuring and managing ESX?
2. How much experience do you have using Hyper-V in a production environment? (Experimental labs used at a company does not count).
3. Are there any differences in memory management between ESX and Hyper-V? If so, please explain their function and when they actually get implemented.
4. Are there any networking differences between Hyper-V and ESX? If so, please list them and please describe the advantage/disadvantage to both.
5. Describe how one would backup a Microsoft Hyper-V environment and how one would backup an ESX environment.

Assume the latest versions for both ESX and Hyper-V.

If you can technically answer these questions and sound and rational terms, you’ve got a shot at restoring credibility. I look forward to your response.

]]> By: Rick Scherer http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2008/12/15/a-great-disturbance-in-the-force/comment-page-1/#comment-346 Rick Scherer Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:40:30 +0000 http://www.boche.net/blog/?p=690#comment-346 I am with you Jason, I feel Microsoft has done some extremely good marketing and because they are Microsoft it immediately makes their products "The Best of the Best". Don't get me wrong, I think they do have some solid products and feel Hyper-V may be a decent fit for some companies (just like Scott Lowe), but I feel that a lot of people are misinformed and just need to do a little more research before claiming Microsoft is the almighty king. I am with you Jason, I feel Microsoft has done some extremely good marketing and because they are Microsoft it immediately makes their products “The Best of the Best”. Don’t get me wrong, I think they do have some solid products and feel Hyper-V may be a decent fit for some companies (just like Scott Lowe), but I feel that a lot of people are misinformed and just need to do a little more research before claiming Microsoft is the almighty king.

]]> By: jason http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2008/12/15/a-great-disturbance-in-the-force/comment-page-1/#comment-345 jason Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:09:57 +0000 http://www.boche.net/blog/?p=690#comment-345 Thank you for the feedback. It's dog eat dog in the virtualization arena and nobody needs to be reminded who VMware's largest competitor is. The smoke coming from their camp is thick enough and frankly this recent blog post could very well be a direct result of successful marketing on that end. With that, I want to do my part to keep misinformation to a minimum while maintaining as much tastefullness and effectiveness as possible. Thankfully, Fawzi is in good spirits and has responded above with smiles. I saw some other good titles on his blog that I want to catch up on. Thank you for the feedback. It’s dog eat dog in the virtualization arena and nobody needs to be reminded who VMware’s largest competitor is. The smoke coming from their camp is thick enough and frankly this recent blog post could very well be a direct result of successful marketing on that end. With that, I want to do my part to keep misinformation to a minimum while maintaining as much tastefullness and effectiveness as possible. Thankfully, Fawzi is in good spirits and has responded above with smiles. I saw some other good titles on his blog that I want to catch up on.

]]> By: Iben Rodriguez http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2008/12/15/a-great-disturbance-in-the-force/comment-page-1/#comment-344 Iben Rodriguez Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:53:32 +0000 http://www.boche.net/blog/?p=690#comment-344 It's actually pretty good when information like this is presented in a public forum. These are just some of the impressions out there. He's a blogger, these are his thoughts. Imagine what some people with similar background are thinking? This gives us some insight. Obviously he's not used ESX in a real world scenario with hundreds of servers. He's not seen how Update Manager can patch an entire data center using vMotion with no service interruption. By voicing his thoughts he's given us an opportunity to address his concerns and feelings. Fortunately most well run businesses run their operations based on facts and logic, not feelings and emotions. Having a bake off and real world comparisons between the various datacenter virtualization options will prove to Mohamed and other skeptics the benefits of virtualization. The tight economic times do not allow for companies to setup new servers without considering the ROI and long term TCO VMware offers. Do more with less people. It's not just about the hardware. P.S. The memory over-subscription is an option and not used much with real world enterprise work loads. When setting up new machines we like to leave lots of cushion for CPU and RAM resources. Typically N+2 servers with a planned cunsumption of 60-80% at peak. It’s actually pretty good when information like this is presented in a public forum. These are just some of the impressions out there. He’s a blogger, these are his thoughts. Imagine what some people with similar background are thinking? This gives us some insight. Obviously he’s not used ESX in a real world scenario with hundreds of servers. He’s not seen how Update Manager can patch an entire data center using vMotion with no service interruption.

By voicing his thoughts he’s given us an opportunity to address his concerns and feelings.

Fortunately most well run businesses run their operations based on facts and logic, not feelings and emotions.

Having a bake off and real world comparisons between the various datacenter virtualization options will prove to Mohamed and other skeptics the benefits of virtualization.

The tight economic times do not allow for companies to setup new servers without considering the ROI and long term TCO VMware offers. Do more with less people. It’s not just about the hardware.

P.S. The memory over-subscription is an option and not used much with real world enterprise work loads. When setting up new machines we like to leave lots of cushion for CPU and RAM resources. Typically N+2 servers with a planned cunsumption of 60-80% at peak.

]]> By: Rynardt Spies http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2008/12/15/a-great-disturbance-in-the-force/comment-page-1/#comment-342 Rynardt Spies Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:37:39 +0000 http://www.boche.net/blog/?p=690#comment-342 Very well said mate. Good job Very well said mate.

Good job

]]> By: Roger Lund http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2008/12/15/a-great-disturbance-in-the-force/comment-page-1/#comment-341 Roger Lund Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:24:40 +0000 http://www.boche.net/blog/?p=690#comment-341 Jason, Sad to see us waste or time reading it. Roger L http://rogerlunditblog.blogspot.com/ Jason,

Sad to see us waste or time reading it.

Roger L

http://rogerlunditblog.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Fawzi http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2008/12/15/a-great-disturbance-in-the-force/comment-page-1/#comment-339 Fawzi Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:13:40 +0000 http://www.boche.net/blog/?p=690#comment-339 "Today I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices cried out in terror." LOL :)))) I liked this one, seriously. But I do not think that it is that bad, just give it another chance :) “Today I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices cried out in terror.”

LOL :) ))) I liked this one, seriously.
But I do not think that it is that bad, just give it another chance :)

]]> By: You’ve Got to be Kidding Me - blog.scottlowe.org - The weblog of an IT pro specializing in virtualization, storage, and servers http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2008/12/15/a-great-disturbance-in-the-force/comment-page-1/#comment-338 You’ve Got to be Kidding Me - blog.scottlowe.org - The weblog of an IT pro specializing in virtualization, storage, and servers Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:16:48 +0000 http://www.boche.net/blog/?p=690#comment-338 [...] VMware blogger Jason Boche has also responded. Good points, [...] [...] VMware blogger Jason Boche has also responded. Good points, [...]

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