Comments on: Cloud Camp Minneapolis http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2009/04/18/cloud-camp-minneapolis/ Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:34:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: WJPatton.com » What will your role be in the Cloud?: Virtual Insanity http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2009/04/18/cloud-camp-minneapolis/comment-page-1/#comment-1143 WJPatton.com » What will your role be in the Cloud?: Virtual Insanity Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:25:40 +0000 http://www.boche.net/blog/?p=1338#comment-1143 [...] chance, I just re-read Jason Boche’s thoughts on Cloud Camp Minneapolis that day, which happened to be organized by EnStratus’ George Reese, a co-founder of [...] [...] chance, I just re-read Jason Boche’s thoughts on Cloud Camp Minneapolis that day, which happened to be organized by EnStratus’ George Reese, a co-founder of [...]

]]> By: Chris Grossmeier http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2009/04/18/cloud-camp-minneapolis/comment-page-1/#comment-726 Chris Grossmeier Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:44:40 +0000 http://www.boche.net/blog/?p=1338#comment-726 While virtualization received little respect, it was clear that Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS) was a key component of the Cloud model. Not every app lens to a cloud model, but solutions like VMware vSphere enable any legacy platform to become a cloud solution. If the infrastructure is a cloud, the app inherits the benefits. However, considerations still need to be addressed for IO/dependencies. This is where the VMware vApp model of defining multiple VM's as bundle to define a service or solution has great value. With the addition of policies, security, and performance metrics, we have a viable solution for any x86 OS or application that plays well in this distributed model. Be sure to tune into the “Unveiling” event on April 21st. While virtualization received little respect, it was clear that Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS) was a key component of the Cloud model. Not every app lens to a cloud model, but solutions like VMware vSphere enable any legacy platform to become a cloud solution. If the infrastructure is a cloud, the app inherits the benefits.

However, considerations still need to be addressed for IO/dependencies. This is where the VMware vApp model of defining multiple VM’s as bundle to define a service or solution has great value. With the addition of policies, security, and performance metrics, we have a viable solution for any x86 OS or application that plays well in this distributed model.

Be sure to tune into the “Unveiling” event on April 21st.

]]> By: VISI BLOG » Blog Archive » CloudCamp MSP Redux http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2009/04/18/cloud-camp-minneapolis/comment-page-1/#comment-725 VISI BLOG » Blog Archive » CloudCamp MSP Redux Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:46:16 +0000 http://www.boche.net/blog/?p=1338#comment-725 [...] here’s a good blog recap of the event provided by Jason Boche from the local Vmware Users [...] [...] here’s a good blog recap of the event provided by Jason Boche from the local Vmware Users [...]

]]> By: Serge Meeuwsen http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2009/04/18/cloud-camp-minneapolis/comment-page-1/#comment-723 Serge Meeuwsen Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:59:55 +0000 http://www.boche.net/blog/?p=1338#comment-723 Jason, interesting post and surprising indeed that there was hardly any mention of virtualization. I think Jason Baker's comment is right in saying that the end-user is not really interested in what the building block of the cloud are. However, I do think the end-user would be interested in understanding the implications of moving to the cloud. Are we starting 'from scratch', building new applications in the cloud and if so, what about my current apps and data? Or are we 'simply' moving what we have currently (assuming that there are in fact legacy apps and data) into the cloud? In the latter case we would have a scenario that VMware is now selling, although many pieces of that puzzle remain unclear also (i.e. cloud federation and moving from an internal to an external cloud). A lot of it is not clear to me either and I think a lot remains yet to be figured out. It's funny though that everyone can see the potential benefits (and seems to be wanting to jump on the bandwagon) without actually 'seeing', let alone knowing the whole picture. While, as we all know, the most pertinent question business owners will have, is what is it going to cost/save me (apart from many other valid questions of course)? Jason, interesting post and surprising indeed that there was hardly any mention of virtualization. I think Jason Baker’s comment is right in saying that the end-user is not really interested in what the building block of the cloud are. However, I do think the end-user would be interested in understanding the implications of moving to the cloud. Are we starting ‘from scratch’, building new applications in the cloud and if so, what about my current apps and data? Or are we ‘simply’ moving what we have currently (assuming that there are in fact legacy apps and data) into the cloud? In the latter case we would have a scenario that VMware is now selling, although many pieces of that puzzle remain unclear also (i.e. cloud federation and moving from an internal to an external cloud).
A lot of it is not clear to me either and I think a lot remains yet to be figured out. It’s funny though that everyone can see the potential benefits (and seems to be wanting to jump on the bandwagon) without actually ‘seeing’, let alone knowing the whole picture. While, as we all know, the most pertinent question business owners will have, is what is it going to cost/save me (apart from many other valid questions of course)?

]]> By: Jason Baker http://www.boche.net/blog/index.php/2009/04/18/cloud-camp-minneapolis/comment-page-1/#comment-719 Jason Baker Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:07:52 +0000 http://www.boche.net/blog/?p=1338#comment-719 Jason, I can understand your disappointment regarding a lack of discussion related to virtualization. Most of the unconference attendees were cloud consumers (users) versus builders. A cloud user does not have to understand the underlying technologies that support the cloud framework. They are focused on how to use the cloud to support applications and business innovation. Also, virtualization is only one brick in the cloud computing house -- albeit a very important brick. Today most cloud computing services are built on Xen or other open-source hypervisors. Mass-market cloud hosters can't build a competitive service using vmware. Some of the enterprised-focused providers like Terremark and Savvis have successfully built clouds using Vmware technology. MaximumASP just launched a cloud using Microsoft's hyper-v. We are taking a serious look at these technologies as we begin building our VISI Cloud. Jason, I can understand your disappointment regarding a lack of discussion related to virtualization. Most of the unconference attendees were cloud consumers (users) versus builders. A cloud user does not have to understand the underlying technologies that support the cloud framework. They are focused on how to use the cloud to support applications and business innovation.

Also, virtualization is only one brick in the cloud computing house — albeit a very important brick. Today most cloud computing services are built on Xen or other open-source hypervisors. Mass-market cloud hosters can’t build a competitive service using vmware. Some of the enterprised-focused providers like Terremark and Savvis have successfully built clouds using Vmware technology. MaximumASP just launched a cloud using Microsoft’s hyper-v. We are taking a serious look at these technologies as we begin building our VISI Cloud.

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